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Yep. I know. She's just one Flux Capacitor away from her potential.

But I have to make due for now.

The good news is, I think I've got her Ram and CPU stable now (will be doing long term tests tonight).

The bad news is that now my rig freezes up whenever I run any 3D applications or benchmarks. It even threw an error on some flash animation when I was browing the web. Very furstrating. It didn't do this before the OC. I've installed the latest video drivers.

My CPU and NB temps are lower than they've been since I started this. Although Everest says that the GPU is running at 67c idle and went as high as 95c during some stress tests. But it didn't fail then. All the freezes and Blue Screens happened while it was still in the 60's. The GFX card is passively cooled, so I supposed these temps could be normal.

Anyway, here are the latest numbers...

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GIGABYTE GA-EP45_DS3R
[u]MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 8
CPU Frequency .......................: 3.30ghz
Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 400Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100Mhz
C.I.A. 2.............................: Disabled
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...............800....: 800mv
PCI Express Clock Drive.......900....: 900mv
CPU Clock Skew (ps)...........0......: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...........0......: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 266mhz
System Memory Multiplier ............: 3.00a
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1200Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time..............5......: 5
tRCD .........................7......: 5
tRP'..........................7......: 5
tRAS..........................20.....: 14
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Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter]
tRRD..........................4......: 4
tWTR..........................4......: 4
tWR...........................8......: 8
tRFC..........................4......: 4
tRTP..........................68.....: 48

seems to work.
Command Rate (CMD) ...........0......: 2T

Channel A

Channel A Timings Settings [Press Enter] 
Static tRead Value............7......: 6
tRD Phase0 Adjustmen..........0......: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.........0......: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ........0......: Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.........0......: Auto

Trd2rd(Different Rank)........6......: 6 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........6......: 6
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........5......: 5 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........8......: 8 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
DDR3 Write Training .................: Auto
Channel A Driving Settings [Press Enter] 
Driving Strength Profile:............: OC-1200
Data Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 

Data Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 

Channel B

Channel B Timings Settings [Press Enter] 
Static tRead Value............7......: 7
tRD Phase0 Adjustment.........0......: 1-Advance
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.........0......: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ........0......: 1-Advance
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.........0......: 1-Advance

Trd2rd(Different Rank)........6......: 6 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........6......: 6
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........5......: 5 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........8......: 8 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
DDR3 Write Training .................: Auto

Channel B Driving Settings [Press Enter] 
Driving Strength Profile:............: OC-1200
Data Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 

Data Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 

{U]Motherboard Voltage Control{/U]
Voltage Type........ Normal 
CPU
CPU Vcore...................1.325v...: 1.53750v
CPU Termination.............1.200V...: 1.320v
CPU PLL.....................1.500V...: 1.500v
CPU Reference...............0.76V....: 0.776v
MCH/ICH
MCH Core....................1.100V...: 1.480v
MCH Reference...............0.76V....: 0.796v
MCH/DRAM Ref................0.900V...: 1.000v
ICH I/O.....................1.500V...: 1.500v
DRAM
DRAM Voltage................1.800V...: 2.300v
DRAM Termination............0.900V...: Normal
Channel A Reference.........0.900V...: Normal
Channel B Reference.........0.900V...: Normal
[b]{U]Advanced Settings[b]{U]
Limit CPUID Max. to 3................: Disabled
No-Execute Memory Protect............: Disabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..............: Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor(TM) .............: Enabled
CPU EIST Function....................: Disabled

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Have you overclocked your gfx card ??
Have you checked drivers.
Just run Prime , as you said
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will be doing long term tests tonight
just to ensure that CPU isn't causing the freeze.

This is odd in Channel A :-
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Trd2rd(Different Rank)........6......: 6
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........6......: 6
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........5......: 5
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........8......: 8
Should be auto or 8,8,7,9 on both vhannels.
I'd set DDR3 Write Training .................: Auto to enabled on both channels.
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Actually, I had write enabled on, just missed entering it.

No, not overclocking video card. I think it was indeed the CPU.

I took your other advice and things improved, but I still couldn't break the 2 hour mark on Prime.

So I took another look at your voltage scaling research and brought it into the mix and raised the vcore just a little more. Then I went to bed.

It was so inspiring to see prime still running when I woke up. But the joy was short lived. She froze at 11 and a half hours. Here are the numbers that got me there.

Code:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45_DS3R
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 8
CPU Frequency .......................: 3.2 ghz
Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 400Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100Mhz
C.I.A. 2.............................: Disabled
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...............800....: 800mv
PCI Express Clock Drive.......900....: 900mv
CPU Clock Skew (ps)...........0......: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...........0......: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 266mhz
System Memory Multiplier ............: 3.00a
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1200Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time..............5......: 5
tRCD .........................7......: 5
tRP'..........................7......: 5
tRAS..........................20.....: 14
Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter]
tRRD..........................4......: 4
tWTR..........................4......: 4
tWR...........................8......: 9
tRFC..........................4......: 4
tRTP..........................68.....: 60
Command Rate (CMD) ...........0......: 2T

Channel A

Channel A Timings Settings [Press Enter] 
Static tRead Value............7......: 8
tRD Phase0 Adjustmen..........0......: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.........0......: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ........0......: Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.........0......: Auto

Trd2rd(Different Rank)........8......: 8 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........8......: 8
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........7......: 7 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........9......: 9 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
DDR3 Write Training .................: Enabled
Channel A Driving Settings [Press Enter] 
Driving Strength Profile:............: OC-1200
Data Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 

Data Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 

Channel B

Channel B Timings Settings [Press Enter] 
Static tRead Value............7......: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment.........0......: 1-Advance
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.........0......: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ........0......: 1-Advance
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.........0......: 1-Advance

Trd2rd(Different Rank)........8......: 8 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........8......: 8
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........7......: 7 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........9......: 9 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
DDR3 Write Training .................: Enabled

Channel B Driving Settings [Press Enter] 
Driving Strength Profile:............: OC-1200

Data Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 

Data Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 

{U]Motherboard Voltage Control{/U]
Voltage Type........ Normal 
CPU
CPU Vcore...................1.325v...: 1.55563v
CPU Termination.............1.200V...: 1.280v
CPU PLL.....................1.500V...: 1.570v
CPU Reference...............0.76V....: 0.780v
MCH/ICH
MCH Core....................1.100V...: 1.480v
MCH Reference...............0.76V....: 0.777v
MCH/DRAM Ref................0.900V...: 0.950v
ICH I/O.....................1.500V...: 1.500v
DRAM
DRAM Voltage................1.800V...: 2.300v
DRAM Termination............0.900V...: 1.0500
Channel A Reference.........0.900V...: 1.0500
Channel B Reference.........0.900V...: 1.0500
[b]{U]Advanced Settings[b]{U]
Limit CPUID Max. to 3................: Disabled
No-Execute Memory Protect............: Disabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..............: Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor(TM) .............: Disabled
CPU EIST Function....................: Disabled
I've been at this for 13 days now and I have to ask myself if it's worth chasing this clock any longer? There's a distinct possibility that this chip just isn't up to it.

Frustrating, after having read half a dozen reports of it reaching 3.2 ghz without even rasing the voltage from stock. If I lower it even 2 notches from what's listed here it won't even post.

It's rare I'm away from my rig more than 24 hours, but I'll try again next time that chance presents itself. I'll happily put any more tips you may have to the test then.

Right now, I've lowered it to 3.0 and dropped the voltage. It's 5 hours into Prime and things are looking good. I'm just looking forward to getting some work done.

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One thing I notice is your CPU Reference doesn't seem to have scaled at all and seem low as a % of CPU Termination.(vtt)
Looking at your last 2 settings:-
  • Vtt_____Ref___% Vtt
  • 1.28v 0.780v 60.93%
  • 1.32v 0.776v 58.28%
I'd try increasing the ref to between 63~66.67% of Vtt. It might give a bit more stability & let you drop your vcore back a bit.
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Actually, that seems worth a shot. I've always been afraid to raise it much higer than .8 because at lower voltages it always made my second core fail a good deal. But that makes sense.

At the moment, I've found that life can be good if you're willing to lower your expectations. At 3.00 ghz I managed to get her Prime stable. Ran for almost 25 hours.



It also passed the 64mb test in SuperPI and played several hours of error free Halo

She never went past 52c through the whole stress phase. When I was trying for 3.2 ghz it was bumping up against the high 60's.

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Code:
GIGABYTE GA-EP45_DS3R
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
Robust Graphics Booster .............: Fast
CPU Clock Ratio .....................: 8
CPU Frequency .......................: 3.00 ghz
Clock Chip Control 
Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control...............: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 375Mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........: 100Mhz
C.I.A. 2.............................: Disabled
Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive...............800....: 800mv
PCI Express Clock Drive.......900....: 900mv
CPU Clock Skew (ps)...........0......: 0ps
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...........0......: 0ps
DRAM Performance Control
Performance Enhance..................: Standard
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)......: Disabled
(G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: 333mhz
System Memory Multiplier ............: 3.02b
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 1200Mhz
DRAM Timing Selectable ..............: Manual
Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time..............5......: 5
tRCD .........................7......: 5
tRP'..........................7......: 5
tRAS..........................20.....: 14
Advanced Timing Control [Press Enter]
tRRD..........................4......: 4
tWTR..........................4......: 4
tWR...........................8......: 9
tRFC..........................4......: 4
tRTP..........................68.....: 60
Command Rate (CMD) ...........0......: 2T

Channel A

Channel A Timings Settings [Press Enter] 
Static tRead Value............7......: 8
tRD Phase0 Adjustmen..........0......: Auto
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.........0......: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ........0......: Auto
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.........0......: Auto

Trd2rd(Different Rank)........8......: 8 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........8......: 8
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........7......: 7 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........9......: 9 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
DDR3 Write Training .................: Enabled
Channel A Driving Settings [Press Enter] 
Driving Strength Profile:............: OC-1200
Data Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 

Data Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 

Channel B

Channel B Timings Settings [Press Enter] 
Static tRead Value............7......: 9
tRD Phase0 Adjustment.........0......: 1-Advance
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.........0......: Auto
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ........0......: 1-Advance
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.........0......: 1-Advance

Trd2rd(Different Rank)........6......: 8 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)........6......: 8
Twr2rd(Different Rank)........5......: 7 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)........8......: 9 

Dimm1 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control.............: Auto
DDR3 Write Training .................: Enabled

Channel B Driving Settings [Press Enter] 
Driving Strength Profile:............: OC-1200

Data Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level...........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level............: Auto 

Data Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level.........: Auto 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level..........: Auto 

{U]Motherboard Voltage Control{/U]
Voltage Type........ Normal 
CPU
CPU Vcore...................1.325v...: 1.54375v
CPU Termination.............1.200V...: 1.300v
CPU PLL.....................1.500V...: 1.570v
CPU Reference...............0.76V....: 0.808v
MCH/ICH
MCH Core....................1.100V...: 1.480v
MCH Reference...............0.76V....: 0.783v
MCH/DRAM Ref................0.900V...: 1.010v
ICH I/O.....................1.500V...: 1.500v
DRAM
DRAM Voltage................1.800V...: 2.2000v
DRAM Termination............0.900V...: 1.0100
Channel A Reference.........0.900V...: 1.0100
Channel B Reference.........0.900V...: 1.0100
[b]{U]Advanced Settings[b]{U]
Limit CPUID Max. to 3................: Disabled
No-Execute Memory Protect............: Disabled
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)..............: Disabled
CPU Thermal Monitor(TM) .............: Disabled
CPU EIST Function....................: Disabled
So this seems like a nice confort zone for when I *Have* to have rock solid stability and then I can always shoot for more when I've got time to goof around.

One interesting thing to note: After reading a forum where a contributor had talked to Gigabyte about the next lower Patriot memory sticks than I have, his being PC2-9200's, he was told that, for some reason, he had to lower the Dram voltage by .1 on their P95 boards. It was just an anomaly they noticed with that particular combo.

So I tried it on mine and the mem has run without a hiccup since. Just thought I'd share for all of you Patriot owners out there.

Thanks so very much for getting me this far. If I manage to push it farther in time, I'll keep you posted.

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great going
What you should find now if you overclock further and increase CPU Termination from 1.300v to for example 1.34v you should find that you can forget about CPU Reference it will scale accordingly from 0.808v , staying approximately 62% of Termination. Same with MCH Reference.

I also found theat the dram sub voltages do the same. I did need to increase mine slightly , when running > 1150Mhz ram speed.

so having got yourself a very stable looking clock, you should find that you can go higher with fewer variables to worry about.

Temps look very nice
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I think my cpu is shot, the Power load phase LEDs i think there is nine of them are all lit up and the whole system is stuck in a short bios boot cycle never completing a whole cycle. I have tried to rest the bios and clearing cmos but no affect. any ideas guys?
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Try to invoke the other Bios. My EP45T had a dump after flashing the other month & it worked for me. Took a few times before it works, you need to be persistant.
sbenrap - Unbricked his was the x48T but As I say it also worked on my Extreme.
Seems to help to unplug all unnecessary stuff , hd etc., and just use a single ram module.

Might be an idea to pull the battery first before trying the above, see if that by itself helps, leave it around an hour.

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Try to invoke the other Bios. My EP45T had a dump after flashing the other month & it worked for me. Took a few times before it works, you need to be persistant.
sbenrap - Unbricked his was the x48T but As I say it also worked on my Extreme.
Seems to help to unplug all unnecessary stuff , hd etc., and just use a single ram module.

Might be an idea to pull the battery first before trying the above, see if that by itself helps, leave it around an hour.

fingers crossed
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i managed to get the board to boot, had to reinstall bios after that i am still trying to track down some quirks but the good news is my CPU is ok. I ran memtest for about 3 hrs and superPI plus other various stress tools and the system seems ok but i can't get Crysis to play. As soon as it loads my pc locks up or reboots. Is there a simple why to force the second bios to load outside of jumping a couple solder points.
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You need to run prime small ffts to stress test the cpu.
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No not that I know of. The nearest you get is Dual Bios Recovery source this was included on the EP45T Extreme bios , but I don't think features on my F8 bios i'm currently running on the ddr2 Extreme.
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