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Old 26-10-2008, 03:16
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Hi everyone, I came across this thread while google searching and I'm hoping for some help with a problem I've had with my X38-DQ6 ever since I got it about a year ago last November: (I read all 71 pages of this and didn't see this issue mentioned)

Basic Specs:
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-X38-DQ6
CPU: Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 stepping
RAM: G.Skill DDR2-1000 4GB (2X2GB)
Video: Visiontek Radeon 4870 512MB
PSU: Corsair 620HX
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake V1

Basically, when using 1:1 memory settings I get massive instability, even at stock speeds, on anything but the original F3 BIOS. Using any of the newer BIOSes that have all the A B C and D strap settings causes serious instability where I'm unable to get Windows to boot, I get memtest errors etc. I've used F3 with the 2.00 System Memory Multiplier to get 1:1 since then because that does run stable. I can't OC at all with it though, even underclocking results in a failed POST. The only settings that actually work on the newer BIOSes are just leaving everything to AUTO - as soon as I manually try to set anything, I get failed posts or the instability. This is at stock speeds too, I'm not trying to OC at all when this is happening. Just merely setting 2.00A to get 1:1 causes it, nothing else changed from AUTO.

I'd really like to be able to use the later BIOSes to try OCing, but I can't seem to get past this problem. It's very odd, G.Skill has this board certified for use with my RAM sticks, and I've RMA'ed the RAM once already and still had the same problem. I'm probably going to just buy an ASUS board if I can't find a solution to this, but I'd rather not have to since this board was pretty expensive when I bought it last year.

Also, Coretemp shows about 45C on all 4 cores at idle - is this high? I've reseated the V1 and I still get that reading. Used a single line of AS5 down the center of the cores just like it shows on their site...

Thanks, really hope I can get this solved!
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Old 26-10-2008, 17:04
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Raise your ram voltage to 2.1 Volts. You may also want to try the other 2 ram slots.
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Old 26-10-2008, 18:10
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Hi Tabs,
Welcome to the forum
There seems to be an eror in the assumoptions here.
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RAM: G.Skill DDR2-1000 4GB (2X2GB)
so your ram is rated at 1000, running 1:1 implies in the absence of any other info your runninf with an FSB of 500, on a Q6600 quad ?? so what are you tryinfg to run at ?
please give more info re cuirrent setting, CPU Multi, FSB and memory ratio 2a etc.
Also as rhansme says what ram voltage are you using
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Old 26-10-2008, 19:04
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No I'd leave it at that. You have the comfort of knowing your undervolting ram , compared to manufacturer's spec. You have some in reserve if you OC further & increase the Ram speed.
Hi Super,

One more time, thank for your help and patience in helping me!!!

At the moment, I'm OCing my Q6600 at 3.2GHz completely stable, after running some extended tests successfully in PRIME95, 3DMARK06 and 3DMARK VANTAGE. I'll keep testing CPU vcore downgrading and running P95 to check which is my most suitable CPU vcore.

Although, after analyzing my BIO settings below, I'm having some doubts about the settings I've chosen in Standard Timing Control, Advanced Timing Control and System Voltage Control, namely because of my DDR2 settings which voltage is set to 2.15V at the moment. I know they're undervolted accordingly to manufacturer specs for these DDR2 RAMs.

Here it is description of my current BIO Settings:

MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)
Robust Graphics Booster: TURBO
CPU Clock Ratio: x8
CPU Host Clock Control: Enabled
CPU Host Frequency(Mhz): 400
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz): 105
C.I.A.2: Disabled
Performance Enhance: Standard
System Memory Multiplier 2.00B
Memory Frequency(Mhz): 800

Standard Timing Control: Manual
CAS Latency Time: Auto (6)
DRAM RAS# to CAS#: Auto (6)
DRAM RAS# Precharge: Auto (6)
Precharge Delay(tRAS): 12

Advanced Timing Control
ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD): Auto
Rank Write to READ Delay: Auto
Write To Precharge Delay: Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay: 35
Read To Precharge Delay: Auto
tRD: Auto
tRD Phase Adjustment: Auto
Command to #CS Timing: 2

Clock Driving and Skew Control
CPUPCIEX Clock Driving Control: 1000
CPU Clock Skew Control: Normal
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control: Normal

System Voltage Control: Manual
DDR2 OverVoltage Control: 0.35
PCI-E OverVoltage Control: 0.2
FSB OverVoltage Control: 0.2
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control: 0.175
MCH Reference Voltage Control: Normal
DDR Reference Voltage Control: Normal
DDR Termination Voltage Control: Normal
CPU GTLREF1 Voltage: Normal
CPU GTLREF2 Voltage: Normal
CPU Voltage Control: 1.40V
Normal CPU Vcore: 1.225V

I know my DDR2 RAMs have a feature called EVP that allows performance enthusiasts to use a VDIMM of 2.25V without invalidating their OCZ Lifetime Warranty, thus I'm volting them safely at 2.15V.

Other spec that my DDR2 RAMs have is a thing called EPP Ready. Do you know what's this for?

I'm a bit unsure about the above blue settings because I don't know if they are the more suitable and safe to keep this OCing.

Here is a pic of my specs at current time:



Please, could you give me some help and also some suggestions about the most accurate settings for these above blue specs?

Or should I leave as they are now and keep doing the CPU vcore downgrading and running P95 to check which is my most suitable CPU vcore.

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Old 26-10-2008, 20:32
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Supershanks,

What I meant is that trying to run the RAM at anything other than AUTO (which right now is setting it to 400MHz with a 2:3 divider) causes the instability unless I'm using BIOS F3, in which case I can manually set it to 266MHz for 1:1 and it works fine.

Here's my current settings using BIOS F8:

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MB Intelligent Tweaker (MIT)

Robust Graphics Booster: Turbo
CPU Clock Ratio: 9x
CPU Frequency: 2.40GHz (266X9)
CPU Host Clock Control: Disabled
CPU Host Frequency(Mhz): 266
PCI Express Frequency(Mhz): Auto
C.I.A.2: Disabled
Performance Enhance: Turbo
System Memory Multiplier: (SPD) Auto
Memory Frequency(Mhz): (800) 800
DRAM Timing Selectable: (SPD) Auto

Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time: (5) Auto
DRAM RAS# to CAS#: (5) Auto
DRAM RAS# Precharge:(5) Auto
Precharge Delay(tRAS):(15) Auto


Advanced Timing Control
ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD): 3 Auto
Rank Write to READ Delay: 3 Auto
Write To Precharge Delay: 6 Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay: 52 Auto
Read To Precharge Delay: 3 Auto
Static tRead Value: 5 Auto
Static tRead Phase Adjustment: 1 Auto
Command Rate(CMD): 2 Auto


Clock Driving and Skew Control
CPU/PCIEX Clock Driving Control: 800mV
CPU Clock Skew Control: Normal
(G)MCH Clock Skew Control: Normal

System Voltage Optimized
System Voltage Control: Manual
DDR2 OverVoltage Control: +0.25V
PCI-E OverVoltage Control: Normal
FSB OverVoltage Control: Normal
(G)MCH OverVoltage Control: Normal
MCH Reference Voltage Control: Normal
DDR Reference Voltage Control: Normal
DDR Termination Voltage Control: Normal
Loadline Calibration: Auto
CPU Voltage Control: Normal
Normal CPU Vcore: 1.23750V
When I change the System Memory Multiplier to 2.00A, which should give me a RAM speed of 266MHz and a 1:1 ratio, it causes instability to the point that Windows won't even boot.
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Old 26-10-2008, 22:53
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EPP Ready.
Means the motherboard reads the EPP settings from your memory modules and configures memory automatically.
The X38 didn't originally have this feature i'm not sure if it's been added in later bios. but there is nothing to stop you using the values shown in the right hand column here

into bios here
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CAS Latency Time: Auto (6)
DRAM RAS# to CAS#: Auto (6)
DRAM RAS# Precharge: Auto (6)
Precharge Delay(tRAS): 12
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DDR2 OverVoltage Control: 0.35
why ? 1.80 std volts +0.35v = 2.15v as we said earlier 0.05v below the rated 2.20v

I'd
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keep doing the CPU vcore downgrading and running P95 to check which is my most suitable CPU vcore.
anyway, yes.
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Old 26-10-2008, 23:04
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tabs what happens if you choose a memory multiplier of 3.00A ?
have you tried
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Performance Enhance: Turbo
= standard
or manully setting tRD ?
2.05v is the rated voltage fot your ram ?? 1.80+0.25v
try as
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Raise your ram voltage to 2.1 Volts. You may also want to try the other 2 ram slots.
try running these
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ACT to ACT Delay(tRRD): 3 Auto try 4
Rank Write to READ Delay: 3 Auto try 4
Write To Precharge Delay: 6 Auto
Refresh to ACT Delay: 52 Auto
Read To Precharge Delay: 3 Auto try 4
Static tRead Value: 5 Auto
Try tRD at 6
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Old 26-10-2008, 23:45
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Super,

I got 2.00A to boot when setting Performance Enhance to Standard and setting the advanced timings per what you said. (Without those it fails trying to boot Windows)

The system doesn't feel right though, things seem really slow during the POST and the OS boot and the framerate in Far Cry 2 is low compared to where it is with the SMM set to AUTO.

I had .25V set for the RAM because the G.Skill site says 2.0-2.1V for it and .25 is halfway between those. I have it on .30V now for 2.1V total.

Am I making a mistake in assuming that the optimal setting for my RAM is running 1:1 at 266MHz with the FSB? I don't understand how underclocking it is causing it to be unstable. Shouldn't it be able to run super tight timings and stuff at only 266MHz when it's rated for 500? There's a JDEC profile in the SPD for 4-4-4-10 at 266MHz...
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Old 27-10-2008, 00:08
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You tend to run 1:1 when overclocking the cpu, very rare when running stock. your ram should run at 800mhz.
There is very little gain running tight timings at low ram speed.
Are tyou sure your OS is clean ?? no virus or anything ?

Have you tried the other slots?
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Old 27-10-2008, 00:18
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Yeah I'm positive this isn't viruses or anything like that... I've had the problem for over a year ever since I got the system and I've probably reformatted 5+ times during that period.

I just ran FRAPS at both settings and its WAY slower in Far Cry 2 with the 2.00A 266MHz setting vs. the Auto 400MHz one. I'm talking 40+ FPS at Auto vs. low 20s at 2.00A.
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