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I am getting really jacked off with nVidia system Sentinel BS when clocking a Maximus Extreme.

Got the CPU at 3500, memory solid at 6,6,6,18 but the nvidia system sentinel is bitching that it hasn't enough power and is reducing the settings of the card to a stable level (the card is an 8800GTX) - and by stable level it means a "!!!!!!!" level, fps's are worse than a 6600GT.

This is such utter and absolute B I have an Enermax Galaxy DDX 1000W, power is DEFINATELY NOT a problem ... I have 2 dedicated PCI-E 12 volt feeds and both are connected to the card, voltage is solid at 12.26V (measured with multimeter).

The Sentinel ONLY complains when overclocks of any size are present on the CPU, when the CPU and memory are at standard 'defaults' the sentinel stays quiet - more proof the power is OK.

Suggestions welcomed ..... like how to turn off this stupid sentinel nag without losing other nVidia features.
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Old 14-03-2008, 23:53
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Theres a few things it could be.

The Galaxy isn't a good partner for the Maximus to start with. I found out the hard way, and I went through 5 Galaxys within a year - the last one I sold and bought something else and haven't had any problems since.

Driver problems - In which case, use drivercleaner to remove the old drivers and reinstall the latest working ones.

Update the card's BIOS to the latest version.

Could be a bad card.

My money is on the PSU though.
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As clunk says, in particular the troubles also seem to include a 3rd party , an nvidia card. Enermax PSU issues

if you google
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there seems to be many with the same or similar issues, on a variety of cards. Sounds like yet another case of junlkware from Nvidia.

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Well I hear the PSU bit but Enermax hasn't let me down yet in a good many years, Enermax replaced within 4 days one that did go bang no questions. I have one PC with a 850W Galaxy in it and the Maximus has a 1000w version, I moved to Enermax after three blown Antecs (two of which fried the CPU, memory and motherboard in the process) and 2 dead Coolermasters and have no problems to report, I have used Enermax on a variety of boards - Abit IC7, AW8, AW9, Asus P5N32 (680i) and now the Maximus.

The Galaxy 1000 has the capacity to deliver a constant 12VDC @ 75 Amps 24/7 with peaks of 85 Amps being possible, if you are telling me that a graphics card wants more than that then it is time that card got redesigned. As a side issue I have read some of the issues users have had with the Galaxy, but I wonder how many of the users actually bothered to read the manual and connect it properly, the Galaxy 1000 WILL complain like a bitch if you don't draw ENOUGH power, some of the rails have minimum currents or it will alarm or even trip, you can't connect this thing in a slap hazzard manner. You can incidentally prime water cooling no problem shorting the usual pins but you had better power up a few hard drives and fans too or it will trip on you.

WARNING RANT FOLLOWS ...

The Enermax complies with EPS12V - EPS12V Spec one of the latest ATX PSU compliance specs that manufacturers are aware of and should be providing equipment that complies, so for nVidia or anyone else to blame the PSU I say nutts, get off yer backside and quit this blame the other guy BS, accept for once that YOU may have a problem, a good support team will accept that they may have a problem, for me poor support is immediately spotted if their first solution is blame the other guy.

As for accepting that I as a USER need to swallow some BS that I need to start upgrading a PSU just to run a different chipset because some comedian can't make proper allowances in his code is laughable. For nVidia or anyone else to produce equipment that does not comply with publicly available specifications such as EPS12V without some sort of warning that the equipment does not comply is NOT ACCEPTABLE!, it should not be for me as the USER to find out only when I get the damn thing out of the box and it won't work, then force me to change half my system to prove in the end that it IS the suppliers problem at huge cost to me and zero to the supplier, then to ultimately get no futher response or solution from the supplier once it is proven that it is the suppliers problem.

Personally I am not prepared to accept the nVidia position on this, nVidia should at least provide the option to turn this 'PC nanny' crap off, I don't need them telling me what I can and can't do, I am not unintelligent or an 'amatuer' user, the option SHOULD be available to turn off this garbage for those of us who want to do so, we all know the risks of clocking PC's, some of us are smart enough to know that voltages and temperatures reported by motherboards are often wildly innacurate and not to be trusted - nVidia have so far failed to make any response whatsoever.

I reserve the right to fry my PC if I choose to do so ....

RANT OVER ....

If I run without overclocks then no issues with the 'Sentinel' at all, in fact the problem seems intermittent - on some PC starts there is a Sentinel warning on other starts there isn't, so it isn't even consistent.

In the mean time I will try to track down a new BIOS for the nVidia .... but perhaps the time is coming to investigate more energy efficient GPU's .....
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Well I hear the PSU bit but Enermax hasn't let me down yet in a good many years (Me neither until the Galaxy, and then 5 times within 12 months), Enermax replaced within 4 days one that did go bang no questions. I have one PC with a 850W Galaxy in it and the Maximus has a 1000w version, I moved to Enermax after three blown Antecs (two of which fried the CPU, memory and motherboard in the process) and 2 dead Coolermasters and have no problems to report, I have used Enermax on a variety of boards - Abit IC7, AW8, AW9, Asus P5N32 (680i) and now the Maximus.

The Galaxy 1000 has the capacity to deliver a constant 12VDC @ 75 Amps 24/7 with peaks of 85 Amps being possible, if you are telling me that a graphics card wants more than that then it is time that card got redesigned. As a side issue I have read some of the issues users have had with the Galaxy, but I wonder how many of the users actually bothered to read the manual and connect it properly (I certainly did), the Galaxy 1000 WILL complain like a bitch if you don't draw ENOUGH power, some of the rails have minimum currents or it will alarm or even trip, you can't connect this thing in a slap hazzard manner. You can incidentally prime water cooling no problem shorting the usual pins but you had better power up a few hard drives and fans too or it will trip on you. (No-one is doubting the Galaxy's specs, but the reliability and compatibility are very poor)

WARNING RANT FOLLOWS ...

The Enermax complies with EPS12V - EPS12V Spec one of the latest ATX PSU compliance specs that manufacturers are aware of and should be providing equipment that complies, so for nVidia or anyone else to blame the PSU I say nutts, get off yer backside and quit this blame the other guy BS, accept for once that YOU may have a problem, a good support team will accept that they may have a problem, for me poor support is immediately spotted if their first solution is blame the other guy.

As for accepting that I as a USER need to swallow some BS that I need to start upgrading a PSU just to run a different chipset because some comedian can't make proper allowances in his code is laughable. For nVidia or anyone else to produce equipment that does not comply with publicly available specifications such as EPS12V without some sort of warning that the equipment does not comply is NOT ACCEPTABLE!, it should not be for me as the USER to find out only when I get the damn thing out of the box and it won't work, then force me to change half my system to prove in the end that it IS the suppliers problem at huge cost to me and zero to the supplier, then to ultimately get no futher response or solution from the supplier once it is proven that it is the suppliers problem.

Personally I am not prepared to accept the nVidia position on this, nVidia should at least provide the option to turn this 'PC nanny' crap off, I don't need them telling me what I can and can't do, I am not unintelligent or an 'amatuer' user, the option SHOULD be available to turn off this garbage for those of us who want to do so, we all know the risks of clocking PC's, some of us are smart enough to know that voltages and temperatures reported by motherboards are often wildly innacurate and not to be trusted - nVidia have so far failed to make any response whatsoever.

I reserve the right to fry my PC if I choose to do so ....

RANT OVER ....

If I run without overclocks then no issues with the 'Sentinel' at all, in fact the problem seems intermittent - on some PC starts there is a Sentinel warning on other starts there isn't, so it isn't even consistent.

In the mean time I will try to track down a new BIOS for the nVidia .... but perhaps the time is coming to investigate more energy efficient GPU's .....
The Galaxy's that I have had, have been a different revision for each incompatibility problem. This wouldn't have actually been a problem if I had still been using the P5B deluxe motherboard that I started with, but as I change boards a lot, the incompatibility issue is a real pain. One thing to note is that through all the problems that I had, other PSUs worked fine.

Good luck getting fixed.
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Well if the Galaxy are regarded as poor just what is regarded as a good high end PSU these days ....

By good I mean more than available power, any PSU failure must not fry other components (the Antec failures left a long lasting bad taste in my mouth), must run reasonably cool and not burn up any more power than the PC needs. Although I have no plans to change out any PSU's right now it is nice to know the selection to make when the need arises.
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Corsair HX series are great PSUs - and also have worked for me when the Galaxy wouldn't.

I also have a Zalman ZM850 modular and that is also problem free. Both of those are whisper quiet.
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If the galaxy had been perfect , there would only have been 1 or 2 revisions, to accommodate such things as 8 pi pci-e plugs etc.,
From what I've read and from what clunk has shared there's been a large number of revisions.

This is pretty much in line with most hardware company's handling of any issue such as this. Deny & revise

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I'll give a shout for both the middle ground Corsair VX's too, been impressed with them so far. Seasonic are still the way to go if you want silent silence though.

HX520 = Seasonic
HX620 = Seasonic
VX450 = Seasonic
VX550 = CWT
TX650 = Seasonic
TX750 = CWT

^^ Someone might find that Corsair OEM list useful for future reference ...(from Yellowbeard at Corsair).
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I thought all the TX/VX were made by Channel Well Technology?
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