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Memory Testing.

Crucial Ballistix Tracer 2x1GB PC2-8500

While testing the RAM, I found some slightly quirky behaviour, which, if you aren't used to DFI boards, may frustrate you slightly, but once you know how to deal with things, it's easy enough. I'm specifically talking about recovery from a poor overclock that is caused by going too far with the RAM. When you do a bad overclock with the FSB, the system will attempt to load with those settings once or twice (you can set this value in the BIOS) and then if it is unsuccessful, it will load up the last known bootable settings.

This doesn't work when the RAM is the "bad" part of your bad overclock unfortunately, so for most of the time, if you do go a bit far with the RAM, the system won't recover and you will end up having to clear the CMOS.

This is where the CMOS relaoaded feature comes in very handy. If you remember to save a good set of BIOS settings, you can simply reload these after you have cleared the CMOS - This sounds worse than it actually is, and you will only need to do this if you are constantly working with silly timings and taking your RAM to its limits.

CAS 3 & 4

I'm going to concentrate on CAS 4. CAS 3 is doable (See first screenshot), but obviously you will need more voltage to achieve a decent clock speed.

I have set myself a maximum voltage of 2.35v.

400x9 1:1 3-3-3-3 400Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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400x9 1:1 4-4-4-4 400Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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400x9 5:6 4-4-4-4 480Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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333x9 5:8 4-4-4-4 1066Mhz RAM 333/1066 Strap.



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400x9 3:4 4-4-4-4 1066Mhz RAM 400/1066 Strap.



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420x9 3:4 4-4-4-4 1140Mhz RAM 400/1066 Strap.



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1140Mhz at 4-4-4-4 is as good as it is going to get (with any stability) with this particular set of Ballistix, so next up, I'll go for highest stable CAS 5 and then call it a day with this set of RAM

CAS 5

Leaving the timings at the rated 5-5-5-15 and sticking with a maximum of 2.35v, I set out to see if I could get a higher stable maximum than the X38 and to my surprise, I did!

410x8 5:8 5-5-5-15 1312Mhz RAM



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Finally on the Ballistix, I tried for one last overclock and managed this one. It was Wprime stable, I did the Sandra and Everest benchmarks and it BSODed when I clicked save for the screenshot - Grrr.

415x8 5:8 5-5-5-15 1328Mhz RAM



So, what can we conclude from this batch of results? Well, there are some small advantages to X48 over X38, but these are small enough to be missed by most people. Realistically, it is only people chasing every last drop of performance that will see any gains over X38 here.

That's it for the Ballistix - Next up, Geil Black Dragon 2GB modules, four of them
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Testing with Geil Black Dragon PC2-6400 4x2GB
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Default Testing with Geil Black Dragon PC2-6400 4x2GB

Testing with Geil Black Dragon PC2-6400 4x2GB.

One of Vista x64's redeeming features is that it likes large amounts of RAM, and as RAM is dirt cheap at the moment, it seems to make sense to max out the LT's slots with as much as we can get our greasy mits on (which is 4x2GB in this case).

If you want to see more results from the Geil Black Dragon modules, please look out for my upcoming review.

I have simply gone for the highest overclock with a good degree of stability at the rated timings.

400x9 5-5-5-15 1066mhz RAM 4x2GB 2.0v





At this point, this is the highest I could go. Increasing the voltage caused instability and pushing the sticks further with lower voltage resulted in a CMOS clear, so I think I'll stick with this fairly respectable overclock, especially considering I'm using 4x2GB sticks of sub £55 RAM!

I should also mention the effect that the extra RAM has on Vista. Going from 2GB to 4GB, there is a small but noticeable difference in the way Vista responds, programs open faster, but, to me, it still doesn't feel as fast as XP.

When shifting up to 8GB, the difference in responsiveness is much more pronounced and Vista actually feels silky smooth and I hate to say it, but it actually runs pretty well - 8GB is highly recommended!

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Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks
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Default Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks

Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks.

Firstly, a few quick notes.

I was planning on testing with a Q9450, but as most people are aware, they are in short supply and some of the retailers that have had stock, have been price gouging so much that a Q9450 is almost double the price that it was meant to be - needless to say, I didn't bother

The alternatives were, a reasonably priced E8200 with it's low multi, I didn't really fancy that much, (although Supershanks has hit 550FSB with his here) a hugely price gouged E8400 for £190+, or an E8500 for £197 - Still overpriced, but a no brainer really, and I liked the idea of the 9.5 multi.

Setup went flawlessly, although it was only after I had done my first OCCT run that I realised I was still on the 9x multi, so I set the CPU N/2 Ratio to Enabled - As soon as this was enabled, the half multis appeared.



I am going to test with the LittleDevil single stage phase unit, which holds the E8500 at around -44c (-51c BIOS), and it is around this point in the review that I should point out that the clutter free CPU socket area on the X48-T2R makes it incredibly easy to insulate aginst condensation, which is a real plus point for a board of this nature.





Anyway, enough waffling from me, lets have a look at what this price gouged Wolfdale can do!

Starting with a relatively standard 3.6Ghz 1:1 overclock...

1.

400x9
1.150v 3600Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 400Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.

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2.

400x9.5
1.28125v 3800Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 400Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.

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3.

422x9.5
1.28125v 4012Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 844Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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As you can see, the only things that need tweaking are the CPU voltage and NB voltage. At this speed, we do not need any extra VTT, PLL or GTL tweakage

CPU Feature
Thermal Management Control: Disabled
PPM(EIST) Mode: Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
CIE Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Disabled
Core Multi-Processing: Enabled

Exist Setup Shutdown: Mode 2
Shutdown after AC Loss: Disabled
CLOCK VC0 divider: AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio Unlock: Enabled
CPU Clock Ratio: 9.5 X
CPU
Target CPU Clock: 4009Mhz
CPU Clock: 422
Boot Up Clock: AUTO
DRAM Speed: 333/667
Target DRAM Speed: 800Mhz
PCIE Clock: 100mhz
PCIE Slot Config: 1X 1X

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control: 1.28125v
CPU VID Special Add: AUTO
DRAM Voltage Control: 2.19v
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.51v
NB Core Voltage: 1.356v
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.1v
Vcore Droop Control: Enabled
Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.45v
GTL+ Buffers Strength: Strong
Host Slew Rate: Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control: Disabled - Not needed yet.
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt: 110
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt: 110
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 110


DRAM Timing
Enhance Data transmitting: AUTO
Enhance Addressing: AUTO
T2 Dispatch: Disabled


Clock Setting Fine Delay
Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting: AUTO
DIMM 1 Clock fine delay: Current
DIMM 2 Clock fine delay: Current
Ch 1 Command fine delay: Current
Ch 1 Control fine delay: Current



Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting: AUTO
DIMM 3 Clock fine delay: Current
DIMM 4 Clock fine delay: Current
Ch 2 Command fine delay: Current
Ch 2 Control fine delay: Current

Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting: Auto

Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay: Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay: Auto

CAS Latency Time (tCL): 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD): 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP): 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS): 15
All Precharge to Act: AUTO
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): AUTO
Performance LVL (Read Delay) (tRD): AUTO

Read delay phase adjust: Enter

Ch1 Read delay phase (4~0)
Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In: Auto

Ch2 Read delay phase (4~0)
Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In: Auto

MCH ODT Latency: AUTO
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): AUTO
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): AUTO
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): AUTO
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): AUTO
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): AUTO
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): AUTO
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): AUTO
ALL PRE to Refresh: AUTO


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Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks
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Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks Continued.

4.

440x9.5 1.38125v 4180Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 880Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.

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5.

460x9.5 1.38725v 4370Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 920Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.





Again, you can see that no overly complex tweaking is needed for the DFI X48-T2R to run at these high speeds, all that has been adjusted are the CPU voltage and NB voltage and not by a great deal!

CPU Feature
Thermal Management Control: Disabled
PPM(EIST) Mode: Disabled
Limit CPUID MaxVal: Disabled
CIE Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled
Virtualization Technology: Disabled
Core Multi-Processing: Enabled

Exist Setup Shutdown: Mode 2
Shutdown after AC Loss: Disabled
CLOCK VC0 divider: AUTO
CPU Clock Ratio Unlock: Enabled
CPU Clock Ratio: 9.5 X
CPU N/2 Ratio - Enabled
Target CPU Clock: 4370Mhz
CPU Clock: 460
Boot Up Clock: AUTO
DRAM Speed: 333/667
Target DRAM Speed: 920Mhz
PCIE Clock: 100mhz
PCIE Slot Config: 1X 1X

CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled


Voltage Settings
CPU VID Control: 1.38725v
CPU VID Special Add: AUTO
DRAM Voltage Control: 2.19v
SB Core/CPU PLL Voltage: 1.51v
NB Core Voltage: 1.456v
CPU VTT Voltage: 1.100v
Vcore Droop Control: Enabled
Clockgen Voltage Control: 3.45v
GTL+ Buffers Strength: Strong
Host Slew Rate: Weak
GTL REF Voltage Control: Disabled - Not needed yet.
x CPU GTL1/3 REF Volt: 110
x CPU GTL 0/2 REF Volt: 110
x North Bridge GTL REF Volt: 110


DRAM Timing
Enhance Data transmitting: AUTO
Enhance Addressing: AUTO
T2 Dispatch: Disabled


Clock Setting Fine Delay
Ch1 Clock Crossing Setting: AUTO
DIMM 1 Clock fine delay: Current
DIMM 2 Clock fine delay: Current
Ch 1 Command fine delay: Current
Ch 1 Control fine delay: Current



Ch2 Clock Crossing Setting: AUTO
DIMM 3 Clock fine delay: Current
DIMM 4 Clock fine delay: Current
Ch 2 Command fine delay: Current
Ch 2 Control fine delay: Current

Ch1Ch2 CommonClock Setting: Auto

Ch1 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch1 Command to CS Delay: Auto

Ch2 RDCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 WRCAS GNT-Chip Delay: Auto
Ch2 Command to CS Delay: Auto

CAS Latency Time (tCL): 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD): 5
RAS# Precharge (tRP): 5
Precharge Delay (tRAS): 15
All Precharge to Act: AUTO
REF to ACT Delay (tRFC): AUTO
Performance LVL (Read Delay) (tRD): AUTO

Read delay phase adjust: Enter

Ch1 Read delay phase (4~0)
Channel 1 Phase 0 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 2 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 3 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 1 Phase 4 Pull-In: Auto

Ch2 Read delay phase (4~0)
Channel 2 Phase 0 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 1 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 2 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 3 Pull-In: Auto
Channel 2 Phase 4 Pull-In: Auto

MCH ODT Latency: AUTO
Write to PRE Delay (tWR): AUTO
Rank Write to Read (tWTR): AUTO
ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD): AUTO
Read to Write Delay (tRDWR): AUTO
Ranks Write to Write (tWRWR): AUTO
Ranks Read to Read (tRDRD): AUTO
Ranks Write to Read (tWRRD): AUTO
Read CAS# Precharge (tRTP): AUTO
ALL PRE to Refresh: AUTO

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470x9.5
1.43v 4370Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 920Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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Default Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks Continued Some More!

Wolfdale E8500 Testing & Overclocks Continued Some More!

7.

480x9.5
1.455v 4560Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 960Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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8.

490x9.5
1.475v 4655Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 980Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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Amazingly, the price gouged Wolfy went all the way up to 500x9.5, (stably I might add) with only changes to CPU voltage and NB voltage! It was only at 500FSB that I needed to up the VTT from 1.1v to 1.2v and once that was done, 500x9.5 was in the bag

Also, this is where the voltage needed started to increase quite sharply, but I wasn't finished yet!

9.

500x9.5 1.53v 4750Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 1000Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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10.

510x9.5
1.55v 4845Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 1020Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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5Ghz Milestone!
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5Ghz Milestone!

With my previous Wolfdale, the FSB suddenly stopped around 520 and regardless of voltage, wouldn't go much higher. I decided to feed the E8500 some serious voltage (1.6v+), and see how high I could go.

Much to my amazement, I was able to boot at 5Ghz (527x9.5) and run both Wprime tests, however, Superpi caused an instant crash, as did OCCT. CPU-Z was showing 1.77v which I don't believe to be correct, but I will measure with a DMM and confirm this later.

11.

527x9.5 1.66v 5010Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 1054Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



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12.

After upping the NB, VTT and Vcore again, I was able to boot at 540FSB - Needless to say that this wasn't too stable, and I could only get as far as a CPUZ verification before the system started to become unstable.

540x9.5 1.68v 5130Mhz 1:1 5-5-5-15 1080Mhz RAM 333/667 Strap.



E8500 Wolfdale Results Table.



At this moment in time, I am going to say that I can't go any further, however, I haven't done any (or needed to do any) tweaking of the GTL REF settings yet, and I will also give SetFSB a run in the near future and add the results here, if there is anything of note.

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Conclusion & Final Thoughts.


This has been another highly enjoyable review for me to write, although somewhat more difficult because the LT X48-T2R is identical in almost every way to its predecessor, the LT X38-T2R and I have already reviewed that in a great depth, so there wasn’t really a huge amount left to say here.

Performance wise, I saw a small increase in maximum stable overclocks using air cooling and I was able to use slightly less voltage. At the same time, I was also able to overclock to 3600Mhz at a lower voltage than the X38 board, and less voltage for a given overclock is always welcome in my book.

Wolfdale performance was fantastic and surpassed all my expectations with the icing on the cake being a hefty 5130Mhz overclock - Sure, this isn't what everyone will be striving towards, but the potential is there if you feel the need!

The shipping BIOS played nicely for 99% of the time, and it was only when right on the edge of memory stability when the overclcock recovery failed and a CMOS clear was required. This is par for the course when you are giving the RAM a bit of a torturing, and most people will not even get to this stage. I have asked DFI if it would be possible to have a “hotkey” or similar where the NB strap can be reset at the same time as the FSB, as this was the only area of the BIOS that I felt needed a slight improvement. As things stand, you can reset the FSB by pressing the Home key at start up, but if your need for pressing it is caused by going too far with the RAM, then quite often, it won’t let you into the BIOS.

While we are on the subject of the BIOS, I will just say that it can be a bit daunting at first, but they have made it so that it will run out of the box, and you can overclock to relatively high levels with a quad core with just a few small changes, or if you want to, you can go the whole hog and start tweaking to get maximum overclocks.

I found that the X48 handled 8GB of RAM impeccably, and I was able to run 4x2GB modules at 1066Mhz with relative ease – Something I didn’t really expect.
As the layout is the same as the X38, the previous gripes still apply. There is nothing major, just a couple of small things such as the memory slots being too close to the PCI-E #1 – The workaround for this is to use PCI-E #2 slot instead. This works perfectly with no ill effects, and I would recommend this to anyone who wants to free up some room in their case.

The other possible layout issue for some is that some larger coolers, such as the Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 will not fit in the upright position (blowing out of the rear fan) when using the “Heat Minator” heatsink on the NorthBridge. The Heat Minator can be easily modified, and this just involves filing/grinding the front edge off, and this stops the big Thermalright’s heat pipes from catching on it.

Other than those minor issues, the DFI LT X48-T2R was a pleasure to use and it performed solidly and reliably across all the tests that I conducted.

The other good news is that DFI boards are now freely available in the UK at various outlets, and at the time of writing this, DFI’s X48 is over £20 cheaper than the comparable Asus board.

To sum up - This is another great motherboard from DFI, and if you are looking for an X48/DDR2 motherboard this is one to keep an eye on.

Pros.
  • Excellent Overclocking & Tweaking Capabilities.
  • Awesome Wolfdale Performance.
  • Great BIOS again.
  • On board cooling is more than adequate and can be run passively.
  • On board cooling isn’t joined together by heat pipes, so you can water cool the NorthBridge and keep the PWM & SouthBridge heatsinks in place if required.
  • On board power/reset switches are very handy indeed.
  • Incredibly user friendly for an enthusiast board.
  • Sub zero friendly.
  • Works well with a full set of 2GB Memory Modules.
  • Looks stunning.
Cons.
  • RAM slots can be obscured by a graphics card in PCI-E1 slot.
  • NorthBridge heatsink design can be incompatible with some large CPU coolers.
  • No USB2/Firewire PCI bracket.
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